(21/11/2024, 21:28)JJaeger Escreveu: Eu não estudei isso ainda, mas o que eu ouço falar é que a maioria dos intelectuais do iluminismo eram gnósticos. Até porque as ideias são bastante similares, o gnóstico tem essa crença "o conhecimento liberta", deve ter casado com muito cientista da época que queriam ser os punks em relação a igreja católica.
Mas sim, foi algo do tipo que vi também, o comunismo deriva muitas ideias dessas tradições cristãs, do qual o gnosticismo é parte. Essa parada da "ditadura do proletariado" seria a versão do Marx do Reino de Deus na Terra, que é uma ideia millienarista.
Sim, exato, quem estudou isso com profundida foi o Eric Voegelin: https://voegelinview.com/eric-voegelins-gnosticism/
''Voegelin believed that the ancient heresy of Gnosticism pervaded the modern world, perverting our understanding not only of time and history, but also the very nature of the human person. The Gnostic, he believed, hates this world, seeing it as a trap, a means by which our soul becomes imprisoned and lost in the desires and limitations of flesh. As such, Gnosticism is inherently dualistic and anti-Incarnational. Indeed, the very idea that the flesh and the spirit could become one is the antithesis of Gnosticism, which sees the relationship as one of tyranny, mistrust, and even hatred.
Though we associate Gnosticism with early Christianity, especially with the warnings against the “anti-Christ” in the writings of St. John the Beloved, Gnosticism actually emerged in the Near East and Asian Subcontinent roughly 600 years before Jesus lived. When Jesus lived and died, however, the Gnostics saw him as the perfect vehicle to promote their own vision of the world. They did not necessarily love Jesus; they simply saw him as a popular figure whose memory and image could be manipulated for their own purposes.
As Voegelin rightly notes, for the Gnostic, man will always be an alien in this world, and he must always seek a way out. As such, Voegelin quotes a number of ancient writings to support this:
“Who has cast me into the suffering of this world?” asked the ‘Great Life’—who is considered the “first, alien Life form the worlds of light.”
“This world was not made according to the desire of the Life”
“Not by the will of the Great Life art thou come hither.”
“Who conveyed me into the evil darkness?”
“Deliver us from the darkness of this world into which we are flung.”
“The wretched soul has strayed into a labyrinth of torment and wanders around without a way out . . . It seeks to escape from the bitter chaos, but knows not how to get out.”
“Why didst thou create this world, why didst thou order the tribes here from thy midst?”
As Voegelin saw it, Clement of Alexandria best grasped the heresy’s essence as well as its dangers. It is “the knowledge of who we were and what we became, of where we were and where into we have been flung, of whereto we are hastening and wherefrom we are redeemed, of what birth is and rebirth.” Consequently, all Gnostic myth — and, the Gnostics were, unfortunately, incredible mythmakers — revolves around the story of exile and return. In Gnostic belief, therefore, the Judeo-Christian God (not Jesus, but God the Father) is the evil one. Why? Because he delights to place souls into the prison of a human body, suffocating them in a physical world.
The “true God” according to the Gnostics has become hidden and alien to us. ''
(21/11/2024, 21:28)JJaeger Escreveu: Essa parada da "ditadura do proletariado" seria a versão do Marx do Reino de Deus na Terra, que é uma ideia millienarista.
Isso. É a união das duas: somos alienados por algo opressivo (demiurgo ou o capitalismo), o conhecimento liberta (seja do comunismo ou da gnose) e haverá um paraíso depois disso (milerianismo)